HEEEEEEEEEEEEELP

Mike Casswell posted this 06 February 2011

Hi guys. I hope someone out there can help me in my search for a specific pick up. My very favourite purple Jeff Beck strat seems to suddenly have its bridge dually gold lace sensor working at half power. I dont know why, or if its fixable, but in my expierience, once a pick up does that, it's usually very bad knews. I took it with me to Spain for the album, and its on 70% of the 5 tracks i recorded there. The guitar is a 1991 and i am looking for the switchable bridge gold lace sensor humbucker from that period(not a new one). So if anyone spots one, has one, knows of one, please make my world right again and please get in contact with me!!

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benjamin smith posted this 06 February 2011

Coincidentally, there is a very similar one for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-stratocaster-Jeff-Beck-signature-/280625523162?pt=UKMusicalInstrumentsGuitarsCV&hash=item415695a9da#ht500wt1156

Nothing to do with you is it?

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Mike Casswell posted this 06 February 2011

Nope.

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Reiner Hofmann posted this 06 February 2011

Probably Jack will have a source or will be able to find something.

I'll put your request into all Guitar or Musicians forums (germans). Let's see.

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Mike Casswell posted this 06 February 2011

Thanks Reiner.

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Simon Croft posted this 07 February 2011

Hi Mike, I hope you get your purple beast back to 100% !

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Mike Casswell posted this 07 February 2011

I will.

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Jack Daniels posted this 07 February 2011

[QUOTE=Michael Casswell]Hi guys. I hope someone out there can help me in my search for a specific pick up. My very favourite purple Jeff Beck strat seems to suddenly have its bridge dually gold lace sensor working at half power. I dont know why, or if its fixable, but in my expierience, once a pick up does that, it's usually very bad knews. I took it with me to Spain for the album, and its on 70% of the 5 tracks i recorded there. The guitar is a 1991 and i am looking for the switchable bridge gold lace sensor humbucker from that period(not a new one). So if anyone spots one, has one, knows of one, please make my world right again and please get in contact with me!![/QUOTE]

Mike, if you're getting approximately half power (with possible hum) it may not necessarily mean your worst case scenario. It could mean a loose or broken connection with the humless portion of your coil itself. If you can get the pup cover off look for a broken or loose wire. If for example a coil wire is broken, then typically that broken wire is carefully brought around the opposite direction (taking extreme care not to break the wire further) and solder the wire to its corresponding connection point on the bobbin. Just get your solder iron sufficiently hot enough to briefly melt the solder point while holding the copper lead wire into the solder point and let the solder cool. Hope this helps.

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Jack Daniels posted this 07 February 2011

I understand the early dually lace sensor golds like the one in your '91 Jeff Beck Strat had mismatched coils, so this eBay item may or may not be your pickup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fender-Lace-Sensor-Dually-Gold-Gold-Pickup-Mint-NR-/180621245586?pt=GuitarAccessories&hash=item2a0ddd7c92#ht4482wt1141

In the meanwhile I'll be on the lookout for a replacement should you not be able to: 1) Repair yours OR 2) Have Don Lace supply you with a suitable replacement.

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Mark Lambert posted this 07 February 2011

Hi Mike I believe Bareknuckle do rewinds Maybe they could help you .Or try this link

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Lace-Sensor-Hot-Gold-13K-Dually-Humbucker-Electric-Guitar-Bridge-Pickup-482437-i1400771.gc Good Luck Mark

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Jack Daniels posted this 07 February 2011

[QUOTE=Mark Lambert]Hi Mike I believe Bareknuckle do rewinds Maybe they could help you .Or try this link

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Lace-Sensor-Hot-Gold-13K-Dually-Humbucker-Electric-Guitar-Bridge-Pickup-482437-i1400771.gc Good Luck Mark[/QUOTE]

Mark, Bareknuckle's claim to fame are their passive pickup designs. Mike's pup in question is a "humless" lace sensor design (possibly active) which is not Bareknuckle's forte, unless BK has someone onboard that has enough experience with the early Lace Sensor pup designs. Mike's pup in question is a circa '91 Lace Sensor Gold Dually w/mismatched coils. The link to the model you refer to is Lace Sensor's latest design, which according to info on the web is not the same thing.

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Mike Casswell posted this 07 February 2011

Yes. The new ones are different and you can't rewind a lace sensor! Plus the guitar is rare in the first place and they only put the dually gold on the jb strats....... and in 1993 they changed the logo on them to a recessed design. It's rare...... but somewhere in the world there is one sitting in a draw doing nothing!!!

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Simon Croft posted this 07 February 2011

I am sure Jeff Beck's current guitar tech will have some spares?

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Mike Casswell posted this 07 February 2011

That's an interesting thought!!!

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Victor Morilla posted this 07 February 2011

Mike, if you lose all hope of fixing the old pickup, let me have a look at it. Maybe I'll be lucky.

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Jack Daniels posted this 07 February 2011

Mike, you should be getting an email from Reggie Ashley @ Lace Sensor with regards to this issue. Jack

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Mike Casswell posted this 07 February 2011

Im hoping its a dry joint, or a wire come off, or something simple..... i have not had a look under the scratch plate yet, but the trouble is, its still making a noise, but with a quarter of the output. thanks guys, and i hope Reggie does drop me a line.

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Jack Daniels posted this 08 February 2011

[QUOTE=Jack Daniels]Mike, you should be getting an email from Reggie Ashley @ Lace Sensor with regards to this issue. Jack[/QUOTE]

Here's Reggie's contact info, just in case you've got spam blockers for your email.

Reggie Ashley Customer Relations Lace Music Products Telephone: (800) 575-LACE (5223) Fax: (714) 893-1045 www.LaceMusic.com Visit us on Facebook

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Mike Casswell posted this 09 February 2011

Hey Jack. Reggie has been in touch......i have just emailed him back, and i am hoping he can come up with a period correct pup.But wether he does or not, thanks for hooking me up.

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Jack Daniels posted this 10 February 2011

[QUOTE=Michael Casswell]Hey Jack. Reggie has been in touch......i have just emailed him back, and i am hoping he can come up with a period correct pup.But wether he does or not, thanks for hooking me up.[/QUOTE]

Hey Mike, You're most welcome, and I'm glad that Reggie finally got in touch with you. I mentioned you being in the U.K. hoping that Lace Music Products has some kind of representation there w/o you having to send the pup overseas for repairs or a replica replacement. Of course the optimal situation would be for them to have a local address to drop the pup for repair. I'm sure that they'll get you fixed up though. BTW, I'd make sure to and ask them (if you have them repair the pup) to fortify the repair in any areas of weak design. Using a passive Fender vintage single coil as an example, in years past Fender didn't lacquer over or use masking tape to isolate their SC rod magnets from the copper wire coil windings. Eventually the thin lacquer insulation of the copper wire would wear sufficiently thin enough to touch bare rod magnets causing rust, which destroyed the coil winding. I wouldn't want to buy a vintage Fender SC for big bucks only to find it needed an immediate "rewind". If there are any similar issues with your vintage Lace Sensor Dually, I'd want to nip it in the bud so that you wouldn't have to revisit this same issue in the near future.

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Jack Daniels posted this 10 February 2011

Unless I'm mistaken, the Lace Sensor design has the copper coil going around (and touching) a "metal shield" with the rod magnets (or magnet) being isolated between the shields in the middle. The weak point in the Lace Sensor design would be "not to lacquer" or "not to tape" the "shields" sufficiently since the only insulation between the "shields" and the copper wire or "coil" would be a ultra thin layer of lacquer insulation over the copper wire itself. I'm trying not to sound too technical here but that's about the gist of it.

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Mike Casswell posted this 10 February 2011

So they are wound like a regular pup?

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Jack Daniels posted this 10 February 2011

Slightly different Mike, with a passive single coil the copper wire is wound directly on top of the rod magnets and perpendicular to the direction of the magnets . With the Lace Sensor, the coil wind is parallel to the direction of the rod magnets but still in close proximity to the rod magnets and the outer "shields" as well. In the case of shielding the Lace Sensor properly, anything the coil touches at whatever point (especially if it's magnetic or electrical) that surface should be (lacquered or taped) to isolate the coil from what is called "eddy currents" which would eventually cause rusting and breakdown of the coil. Here's a link to visualize how the Lace "Holy Grail" single coil is constructed, it's a hand drawn sketch but you'll get the gist: http://www.lacemusic.com/electricpickups/holygrail/holygrailspecs.php

I was partly correct, and partly wrong in my previous post, as you'll notice there are (2) copper coils for each single coil pup, there appears to be: (2 x) triangular shaped metal shields, and some type of shielding material wrapped around the rod magnets themselves. This is not enough if the shields or shielding material itself is bare metal or scarcely coated. The metal must have a sufficient isolation material like (thick lacquer or some kind of tape) over its surface to truly isolate "eddy currents" from the coil(s).

A humbucker as you know is nothing more than (2) single coils, so the main idea still applies here. Whether the Lace Sensor Dually uses a bar magnet, samarium cobalt magnet, ceramic magnets, alnico magnets, or whatever, just as long as anything physically touching the coils is very well coated (lacquered or taped off) the coil should go on for years indefinitely. This is even taking into account modern copper wire insulation, since the insulation material used today is thicker and more sturdy than the insulation material used on copper wire from years ago. It stands to reason that after 20 years of your using your Lace Sensor Dually you could possibly have a rusted coil, or coil(s) if it's an insulation issue.

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Mike Casswell posted this 10 February 2011

Cool, thanks. Reggie, still hasn't replied!

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Jack Daniels posted this 10 February 2011

Mike, send Reggie another email but this time in the header put something like, Artist assistance needed for British Guitar Academy Show featuring Steve Rothery from Marillion and Michael Casswell of "(your credits here)". Prolific artists like yourself are what sells pups for Lace Pickups and other similar pup companies. It behooves artist relations people to pay special attention to issues like yours otherwise they miss out on opportunities to further their business.

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Jack Daniels posted this 15 February 2011

Any word yet Mike?

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Mike Casswell posted this 15 February 2011

Forgot to give you an update. He has been in touch and is kindly bending over backwards to sort my pick up out. He mentioned he is very into my playing and they don't normally do what they are going to do for me, which I can't say because he asked I didn't, so I'm not, but it's all good in the hood!thanks for the hook up Jack.

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The Herbit posted this 15 February 2011

Sounds like your axe will be restored in short order. Just in time for more vids ! :D

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Jack Daniels posted this 15 February 2011

[QUOTE=Michael Casswell]Forgot to give you an update. He has been in touch and is kindly bending over backwards to sort my pick up out. He mentioned he is very into my playing and they don't normally do what they are going to do for me, which I can't say because he asked I didn't, so I'm not, but it's all good in the hood!thanks for the hook up Jack.[/QUOTE]

You're very welcome Mike, I'm just glad that Reggie finally got you sorted out. Are you allowed to say whether they'll repair, or send a new one? Hopefully you wont have to wait that long to get the Lace Sensor Dually back in your '91 Fender JB strat guitar. BTW, did Reggie say if there are any Lace Sensor (service/repair) stations in the U.K. for any LL U.K. members should they need service for their Lace pickups?

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Mike Casswell posted this 15 February 2011

He didn't .apparently the internal design of the lace sensor hasn't changed at all. He offered to send me a new one, but I am attached to the one in the guitar, so I am going get my tech to take it out and I'm going to send it to them to replace or fix whatever has gone wrong with it(and maybe make it a bit hotter), which is not what they would normally do, so I am privileged in their attention.

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Jack Daniels posted this 15 February 2011

[QUOTE=Michael Casswell]He didn't .apparently the internal design of the lace sensor hasn't changed at all. He offered to send me a new one, but I am attached to the one in the guitar, so I am going get my tech to take it out and I'm going to send it to them to replace or fix whatever has gone wrong with it(and maybe make it a bit hotter), which is not what they would normally do, so I am privileged in their attention.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you can make some kind of endorsement deal with Lace Sensor, so that in future should some pickup issue arise, Lace Sensor will be "Johnny On The Spot" so to speak. I got an endorsement deal for my jazz guitarist buddy through a pup winder in West Hollywood, Ca. which will always comes in handy for him in similar occasions such as yours. Let me know how the pickup turns out for you once you get it re-installed in your '91 JB strat.

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adam11 posted this 15 February 2011

ok let me be the first to say JAMMY TW*T .

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Mike Casswell posted this 15 February 2011

What can i say!!!!!!! Guthrie hasn't paid a penny for anything he uses, but at least i can get a pick up fixed!!

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Jack Daniels posted this 16 February 2011

[QUOTE=AdamR]ok let me be the first to say JAMMY TW*T.[/QUOTE]

Then I'll be the first to say JABBER WOCKY T*T

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